I think thats true.

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Bill was very keen to bring real science fiction back onto the web link.

Obviously, Syfy has a foot in both camps.

It cant be too experimental.

The first episode alone ofThe Expanseutterly blurs the lines between cinema and television.

Whatever you think of the show, the sheer love and production values are evident from the very start.

Id very much say that applies toChildhoods Endas well.

Everything we did, it felt like we were making a movie.

Costume designer was fromLord Of The Rings.

Our DoP, Neville Kidd, had just won an Emmy forSherlock.

Nick Hurran came to us from directingSherlockandDoctor Who.

Do you feel this trend in television vindicates you to a degree?

I remember when you were doingBonekickers, you took a lot of kicks for that.

But the idea was you wanted a blockbuster movie on a television screen every week?

That was back in, what, 2007?

Thats a very nice way to put it, to turnBonekickersinto an act of prophecy [laughs].

I think that the mistake I made withBonekickerswas making it a 9pm show.

I really think it boiled down to that.

You go and pitch to a US web connection now and Martin Scorsese has just been in!

You go, oh fuck off!

Television now looks like a movie, most people now have at least a 40 TV.

A lot of people have surround sound.

But also, lots of people watch shows on their phone screen.

But people watch movies on their phone!

The cast was a movie cast!

They dont make $50m movies any more.

The other thing with television though over the last decade, its not just the cinematic values.

You watch them freely.

I think thats right.

I think there are still some smart movies to be found at the cinema.

But I used to be desperate to write in movies.

I still do film stuff for people.

But I dont feel that Im missing out any more, in the way that I once did.

I think Im just as happy developing big, exciting television.

You went to America to develop movies though, didnt you?

And I spend a lot of my time now in America.

Im developing more for American television now than I am for the UK, by choice.

Also, I think, television is international now.

In turn, shows made now in the UK are almost instantaneously being watched in the US.

Its an international market now.

Did you catch Channel 4sHumanslast year?

That was one of the best examples of a co-production Ive seen in years?

It was, and I was in America watchingHumanson AMC.

I did always wonder with co-productions if you get too many cooks.

But even now, that seems to have calmed down a bit.

Well I think thats because of the nature of television production, and how its changed.

In the past, the Brits didnt know how to work with the Americans.

And I include writers first and foremost with that.

People like Sam Vincent, who co-createdHumans, cut his teeth on things likeSpooks.Hes not just some newbie.

Hes a good writer who knows how to write for television, and is experienced.

He takes responsibility and has an ethos thats inherently more international.

And he can work with the Americans.

Thats the inherent snobbery and nature of the British.

HavingLife On Marsremade by ABC definitely pushed my profile up.

They watched it and said we can see the things that we didnt do so well.

And I think that did help in a way, yes.

Where are you now then?

Youre back in the UK, but regularly in the US.

Are you still involved in the short film,Rha?

Im a producer on it, and did some scriptwriting too.

I did work with the director for quite a while on it.

Im still involved, but Im very much focuses on other things.

Because I was the showrunner onChildhoods End, Im keen to continue developing TV series.

And one more thing: are yourDoctor Whodays behind you, do you think?

Behind me, yes.

It was lovely to work on it.

Matthew Graham, thank you very much!