DEN OF GEEK: Last season really left me heartbroken and I had the feeling that maybe BoJackcantfind happiness.

Did that feel like the necessary direction to take the character at this point?

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RAPHAEL BOB-WAKSBERG:Yeah!

Can you just move on from it all?

Its not necessarily about whos fault it is, but just the idea of learning to forgive.

We talked about that a lot this season.

And you do a good job at showing both sides of all these relationships.

I dont know how to get better.

like, fix me.

Its so easy to picture that line coming out of BoJack.

I think that was a big thing that we were dealing with regarding BoJack, especially in that episode.

He gets out of last season feeling like hes poison and that he cant be around other people.

Clearly his only solution is to isolate himself until he realizes that thats not a permanent solution either.

Thats not who he wants to be.

But even then its very much focused on her relationship with BoJack.

There are some really beautiful scenes there and Todd really grows up in a lot of ways this year.

Talk about discovering all of that stuff with the character and what Todds dealing with this season.

Not that there have been many, but theres still enough to upset people.

So immediately I went, Oh boy, were in trouble… Thats who Todd is!

Thats not why people liked him for the previous seasons.

So to have BoJack be the one that finallydoesappreciate that was an interesting place to take their relationship.

Theres definitely a feeling of growing up and maturity going on this season.

Yeah, I dont know.

I dont have a 6- or 7-season plan in my head or anything.

We just go year by year and if we still have stories to tell, well keep telling them.

and almost always it can be due to the wide framework that weve built for this show.

But at this point I have no idea when that will be.

BoJack Horsemansentire fourth season is currently streaming on Netflix