Note: This interview contains Better Call Saul spoilers for Gloves Off.

Better Call Saulhas done a good job of proving its independence during the beginning of sophomore season.

Tonights episode, Gloves Off, was arguably the seasons strongest entry.

We saw Mike and Nacho fostering a deal that takes them both to some reasonably dark places.

And I think its kind of that amazing thing of like when youre watching a biography.

In this case, if anything it stimulates us more.

So I think that makes it more exciting in a strange way.

Nachos decision to take out Tuco is a big power play for him.

It permanently changes their relationship moving forward from that point.

Is it exciting to have crossed that line between them now?

I think Nachos arc is very much a coming of age arc.

Heres a guy who does not have the cartel bloodline.

Hes someone whos been an outcast his whole life.

Meanwhile the people in charge are making very rash, very hasty decisions that are not profitable business-wise.

Those people are risking everyones lives.

Worse than that, I could put my family in jeopardy.

Finally, theres this ambition in him that we havent really tapped into yet.

Heres this peasant that wants to be a king.

He has the desire to take the hard work that his father has done and go beyond that.

So its definitely the story of someone who realizes they need to take control of their own life.

The earlier episodes in the season have also been kind of indulgent in this area.

Theyre part of the walls that makesBreaking Badsuch an amazing experience.

And having them come back is just as exciting as doing a prequel.

I hope we get to see more of them.

I mean, this is a prequel.

It would be completely illogical to not see some of these people.

Albuquerque is a very small city.

The gun dealers a good example.

Its one of the stronger episodes thematically.

Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould are amongst the best minds in the business.

Nachos story is all about the same sort of thing; finally giving into temptation.

Yeah, I think there are a lot of parallels between Nacho and Jimmy.

Hes the first one to spot that.

And I think the reason is that theres a lot of Jimmy that Nacho can relate to.

I think theyre both like the kids in the sandbox that no ones playing with.

No ones playing with Jimmy because their parents told them that Jimmys not good enough.

And no ones playing with Nacho because their parents simply told them not to.

And you have these two guys who both want to be kings and want to feel self-worth.

At this moment in the season, what do you think Nacho wants?

If hehadkilled Tuco, wouldhewant to be the one in charge after that?

Would he want another boss, but just someone more stable?

Would this be his opportunity to get out?

What do you think?

Look, theres only three ways out for Nacho.

He tries to get out and is killed by the Cartel.

He says to himself, I want to make something out of myself.

I deserve to make something out of myself.

Its my birthright, and I will do what I can morally to make that happen.

And I think at this point he realizes that Tucos got to go.

Hes not a good leader.

Hes putting my life, and everyones lives, in jeopardy.

So I think Nachos transitioning and starting to realize that theonly wayhe can survive is if hes in charge.

That he almost doesnt want this responsibility butneedsto take it on, otherwise hes going to die.

Its very complex and so much fun to play.

Better Call Saulssecond season continues to air on AMC on Sundays at 10 p.m.